My Energy supplier has gone bust.

Exige said:
You have modern gates that power down 😮
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You mean that you don't, you Luddite ! :eek:

Anyway, I've powered them down now. Do you know how much juice these things use? They'll eat me out of house and home eventually. :oops: I really must knock up a pareto on them one day. :unsure:
 
I really didn't think this thread would ever get soooooo much drift
Or even attention.
 
AirCon said:
I need to audit what is on in each room....
Perhaps time switches for some things like Battery Tenders and Amazon devices.
Wireless switches to shut down power to the electric gates etc at night.
Charges for things like Garden trimmers etc.

This device will at least let me apply some pareto analysis as to where to put my efforts first.
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Surely you need a heat map rather than a pareto.

But don’t mistake the pie chart for a menu.......again....
 
Mr Bimble said:
Surely you need a heat map rather than a pareto.

But don’t mistake the pie chart for a menu.......again....
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With hindsight I should have said the 80:20 rule..
80% of your problems come from just 20% of the whole issue.
The purpose of the measuring device is to work out which circuits to work/reduce consumption on first.

Lessons learnt: don't insinuate an OCD member's scooter is a "hairdryer", as they will lash out, especially when they have to look up a word. ;)
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Mr Bimble said:
Surely you need a heat map rather than a pareto.

But don’t mistake the pie chart for a menu.......again....
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I do use a FLIR gun to look at devices such as plug in power supplies. .. you'd be surprised at how hot they are.
What has surprised me is just 3 Watts 24hrs a day, 365 days a year is now £7.33 a year....
That's the typical minimum a device on standby* takes... now, more than ever, we need to go around and unplug everything we aren't using.
Note phone chargers consume power even when the phone is fully changed..... this can be seen as heat in the charger.
* older devices are 15 to 25Watts on standby, very modern devices are 0.5 to 1.5W.....
 
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AirCon said:
I do use a FLIR gun to look at devices such as plug in power supplies. .. you'd be surprised at how hot they are.
What has surprised me is just 3 Watts 24hrs a day, 365 days a year is now £7.33 a year....
That's the typical minimum a device on standby* takes... now, more than ever, we need to go around and unplug everything we aren't using.
Note phone chargers consume power even when the phone is fully changed..... this can be seen as heat in the charger.
* older devices are 15 to 25Watts on standby, very modern devices are 0.5 to 1.5W.....
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I won’t explain the tenuous link between heat map as an analytical tool and the the relationship between energy and heat, but I understand that in general, around 50% of domestic energy goes on heating, so have you considered popping down to Primark or Matalan for some jumpers and a woolly hat and turning down the thermostat?

Certainly interested in what measuring equipment and statistical analysis is considered necessary to buy a pullover...:)
 
Mr Bimble said:
I won’t explain the tenuous link between heat map as an analytical tool and the the relationship between energy and heat, but I understand that in general, around 50% of domestic energy goes on heating, so have you considered popping down to Primark or Matalan for some jumpers and a woolly hat and turning down the thermostat?

Certainly interested in what measuring equipment and statistical analysis is considered necessary to buy a pullover...:)
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Nearly all electrical energy consumed in a home will end up as heat.... even sound... moves materials that makes heat.
Given our kW/h consumption overall we are at under 20% for electric compared to Gas heating / cooking.
And I was literally using the term Heat and map, to show where electric was being consumed; not the term used by software/data engineers/programmers.

And think we've done to death the fact I want to see which circuits are using the most power, so I can investigate / reduce / unplug loads etc FIRST.
Big problem, break it down into little ones, and then solve.
 
AirCon said:
Nearly all electrical energy consumed in a home will end up as heat.... even sound... moves materials that makes heat.
Given our kW/h consumption overall we are at under 20% for electric compared to Gas heating / cooking.
And I was literally using the term Heat and map, to show where electric was being consumed; not the term used by software/data engineers/programmers.

And think we've done to death the fact I want to see which circuits are using the most power, so I can investigate / reduce / unplug loads etc FIRST.
Big problem, break it down into little ones, and then solve.
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Open all the windows and see which room stays hottest - that should help 😁
 
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E.ON seem to make it impossible to change the monthly direct debits to an amount that I'm happy with.
First of all they set the DD to one decimal point too low, I then corrected.
Then this week they have doubled my previous adjustment, despite my rate only going from 20.5p to 28p.
Note I'm currently four figures ahead / in credit.

I wrote a long and detailed email asking for an explanation, only to receive a reply that they will keeping to the same monthly amount (no increase).

They seem to be on a mission to collect as much money off everyone as possible.
Their website takes you on a wild and long route of interactive advice, community support pages etc before they finally allow you to write to them.

hi@eonnext.com is their domestic supply email address and quote your account number, address and the amount you'd like the direct debit to be ....
YOU are in control, not them.
 
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British Gas site goes off line, as they offered a very low 12 month deal...
24p kW for electric and 4.81 for Gas.... fixed until April 2023.
 
Energy tracking is well worth doing.

We've Williams Jade freezer at home.
Standby is 33 Watts and cooling circa 780 Watts, however monitoring it for a month it is taking around 5kW/hr per 24 hours ... just over £523 a year.

Given that we only open the door about 5 times a week I was wondering why so much energy?
Well several times a day it switches to "de-ice" mode, regardless of if there is any ice on the evaporator.
This means an internal 2kW electric fire is turned on to melt the ice away.
Given that this freezer is designed to be accessed 10/hr for 18 hours a day I've been playing around with a few programming settings and will report back.
Door seal de-ice is now set to manual.
Dropped evaporator De-ice to every 24 hours and not 8....

I will report back on savings and problems, if any.

My wife is supposed to be decommissioning the +20 year old freezer in the utility room, but upon a quick check it appears to be very full.
Next job is check the main kitchen US style Bosch Fridge Freezer.... I'm sure this is power hungry.


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AirCon said:
Energy tracking is well worth doing.

We've Williams Jade freezer at home.
Standby is 33 Watts and cooling circa 780 Watts, however monitoring it for a month it is taking around 5kW/hr per 24 hours ... just over £523 a year.

Given that we only open the door about 5 times a week I was wondering why so much energy?
Well several times a day it switches to "de-ice" mode, regardless of if there is any ice on the evaporator.
This means an internal 2kW electric fire is turned on to melt the ice away.
Given that this freezer is designed to be accessed 10/hr for 18 hours a day I've been playing around with a few programming settings and will report back.
Door seal de-ice is now set to manual.
Dropped evaporator De-ice to every 24 hours and not 8....

I will report back on savings and problems, if any.

My wife is supposed to be decommissioning the +20 year old freezer in the utility room, but upon a quick check it appears to be very full.
Next job is check the main kitchen US style Bosch Fridge Freezer.... I'm sure this is power hungry.


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Can you get back to us before 9.00pm because I fancy an early night and could do with some help to nod off?
 
Markduc said:
Keep us updated on those
I bought a solar pump for the very small wildlife pond (think puddle)
it ain’t brilliant
but have just installed a solar battery charging thing to keep the bike topped up
so far seems to be going ok
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OK... lasted about 20-30 minutes in the Winter, now they work all night...
Just purchased 4 more.. £30.40.
Well worth the money. Just make sure the solar panel gets good sunlight during day.
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600W LED Solar Wall Light Motion Sensor Outdoor Security Street Lamp IP65 Black | eBay

Solar Panel: 5.5V/2.5W. - Fast Charging: Solar panel charging depends on the duration of light and weather conditions. Highlight Delay: 20s. 1X Solar Wall Lamp. - Automatically Turn on: The PIR motion sensor can scan the heat source that continuously moves within the detection range.
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AirCon said:
OK... lasted about 20-30 minutes in the Winter, now they work all night...
Just purchased 4 more.. £30.40.
Well worth the money. Just make sure the solar panel gets good sunlight during day.
www.ebay.co.uk

600W LED Solar Wall Light Motion Sensor Outdoor Security Street Lamp IP65 Black | eBay

Solar Panel: 5.5V/2.5W. - Fast Charging: Solar panel charging depends on the duration of light and weather conditions. Highlight Delay: 20s. 1X Solar Wall Lamp. - Automatically Turn on: The PIR motion sensor can scan the heat source that continuously moves within the detection range.
www.ebay.co.uk
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They'll almost offset the cost of running those electric gates at château Aircon . 🤷‍♂️
 
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