My Energy supplier has gone bust.

@Noobie you are correct ⬆️⬆️ in what you say. The current situation is a bit of a perfect storm. The UK decommissioned coal stations and jumped on natural gas as a stop gap between coal and renewable power. There renewables are not yet on steam to the degree required and the market price of natural gas has tripled so there’sa squeeze on.

However it does not explain why, as @AirCon pointed out, the standing charge has increased nor does the lack of fuel delivery drivers explain why the cost of fuel has increased at the pumps when the cost of oil has not changed by anywhere near the same proportion. Somewhere along the line there is significant profiteering going on🙁. Even here, in ROI, it’s now c.1.57 for diesel and 1.67 for petrol (€) and we have no shortages.

As Aircon is the one who pointed out the increase in standing charges for electric Im assuming he’s not behind the profiteering.
 
West Cork Paul said:
@Noobie you are correct ⬆️⬆️ in what you say. The current situation is a bit of a perfect storm. The UK decommissioned coal stations and jumped on natural gas as a stop gap between coal and renewable power. There renewables are not yet on steam to the degree required and the market price of natural gas has tripled so there’sa squeeze on.

However it does not explain why, as @AirCon pointed out, the standing charge has increased nor does the lack of fuel delivery drivers explain why the cost of fuel has increased at the pumps when the cost of oil has not changed by anywhere near the same proportion. Somewhere along the line there is significant profiteering going on🙁. Even here, in ROI, it’s now c.1.57 for diesel and 1.67 for petrol (€) and we have no shortages.

As Aircon is the one who pointed out the increase in standing charges for electric Im assuming he’s not behind the profiteering.
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We make just enough to survive in this terrible terrible world... we are blessed that we don't go hungry. 🙏
 
West Cork Paul said:
@Noobie you are correct ⬆️⬆️ in what you say. The current situation is a bit of a perfect storm. The UK decommissioned coal stations and jumped on natural gas as a stop gap between coal and renewable power. There renewables are not yet on steam to the degree required and the market price of natural gas has tripled so there’sa squeeze on.

However it does not explain why, as @AirCon pointed out, the standing charge has increased nor does the lack of fuel delivery drivers explain why the cost of fuel has increased at the pumps when the cost of oil has not changed by anywhere near the same proportion. Somewhere along the line there is significant profiteering going on🙁. Even here, in ROI, it’s now c.1.57 for diesel and 1.67 for petrol (€) and we have no shortages.

As Aircon is the one who pointed out the increase in standing charges for electric Im assuming he’s not behind the profiteering.
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Absolutely profiteering, remember the blockades in 2000 when petrol was £0.78/litre 🤔
 
Exige said:
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There still isn't the electrical infrastructure to support a large scale switch from burning gas to heat our homes and commercial premises.
Gas boilers represent a small proportion of the CO2 emitted in the uk.
The UK produces less than 1% of the world's CO2, despite being the world's 5th largest economy.

We are pissing in the wind and paying for the pleasure.

For those who travel the world it is easy to see the biggest problems.
Massive industrial processes in China.
20-30mpg +4000cc V8 cars cruising huge 10 lane highways in the US of A.
Irish and Kiwi carpenters getting paid in cash and not paying enough tax.

The planet was fecked long ago.
The infection took hold during the start of the industrial revolution and we are now in the palliative care phase.


Way too little, way too late by way too few.
 
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Council taxes will go up

Councils will be forced to update all of thier council housing stock as well. Councils will also be charged more by social housing associations on their housing benefits as the housing associations have to update their stock too.

I do wonder how many will not start anytime soon in the hope if they leave it till the last minute, that government assistance will be hugely increased just to meet it's own target?
 
Noobie said:
Council taxes will go up

Councils will be forced to update all of thier council housing stock as well. Councils will also be charged more by social housing associations on their housing benefits as the housing associations have to update their stock too.

I do wonder how many will not start anytime soon in the hope if they leave it till the last minute, that government assistance will be hugely increased just to meet it's own target?
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It can't happen... no one in the related industries believe it.
 
Alan Williams said:
Bit off topic. Sorry

Heat pump grants worth £5,000 to kickstart low carbon heating Heat pump grants worth £5,000 to kickstart low carbon heating

Don’t you need a big garden for these to be effective ?
@AirCon.
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Air source are cheaper to install (no big garden required) but you do need to modify you system inside - underfloor heating is best and bigger radiators if you can't as well as really good insulation.

I have one but to be honest don't see huge benefits, upstairs radiators are too small so my wife runs an electric heater to supplement, hot water tank is too small really so 1 bath and it's toast so you have to plan a bit better.

Turning up the thermostat and opening windows isn't the best idea (my wife's default 😁 )

£5k would struggle to get you a decent heat pump let alone install it or modify you current system/upgrade insulation.
 
AirCon said:
We make just enough to survive in this terrible terrible world... we are blessed that we don't go hungry. 🙏
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Yet...but that will be coming.

On one hand the gov is talking up food shortages, and on the other they're promoting growing crops for bio-fuel.


“World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.”

― Denis Healey
 
Alan Williams said:
Bit off topic. Sorry

Heat pump grants worth £5,000 to kickstart low carbon heating Heat pump grants worth £5,000 to kickstart low carbon heating

Don’t you need a big garden for these to be effective ?
@AirCon.
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"In moving water" sourced heat pumps are the best near constant on temperature to the collector (evaporator) with only a tiny reduction in water off temperature. So for those of you with a river... yer laughing. .. however Environment Agency approval is required.
Next is ground sourced heat pumps.
These require several 100's of feet of slinky to be buried at a grave depth in a sunny garden ... a couple of tennis courts should do for say 25kW.
Next you need a spare garage space for the equipment. Saline is pumped around the slinky to collect heat, this is then cascaded to heating temperatures using refrigeration. A further heat exchange process warms the sanitary and heating water. Projects start at £25k upwards. Recent 5 bed new barn conversion, no change from £50k.

Air sourced heat pumps is what 99.9% of us will get.
Visually these look like the outdoor Box of an air conditioning system.
Typically double vertical fan producing around 10-14kW of hot water at 35°C.
Water in and water out on 1" 1/4 pipes, flow controlled by the box and ambient conditions.
These cost around £5-7k plus installation.
98% of households will require major reworks of the plumbing and heating systems to make them work comfortably.
Even those who currently have underfloor heating by water should have them replaced.
The most efficient temperature for a condensing gas boiler is 55°C water flow out... heating calculations based on loads and losses means the pipes are widely spaced.
Air sourced heated water is most efficient at 35°C.... hence the pipes need to be closer together to produce the same temperature rise in the room.
Immersion heaters are used to bring the water temperature up for sanitary use (55°C).

IMHO the most cost effective solution is to fit bog standard AC (air to air)... good multiple head system 5 rooms installed, say £8k.
Heats (and cools) a three bed semi. For the 6 weeks of the year when the efficiency drops use your gas heating.
Use gas to heat water all the year.

Most important is to have good insulation, floors, walls, doors, windows (shut) and roof/loft spaces.
For example my wife cranks the kItchen radiators to 25°C, last week we externally insulated 90% of the kitchen walls with 2"jablite.
The apex ceiling has space blanket stapled to the rafters... it now looks like a spaceship.
Result is she has turned off all the radiators and the only heat is from cooking and losses from the circulating hot water... a toasty 22°C...
It looks shit, but the building is coming down in the spring.

CO2 refigerant based air to water is the way to go.
Widely used in Nordic countries and new commercial projects here.... equipment is currently 5x the cost.
However, 4x heat extraction at -20°C and nearly 8x at 8°C ambient outside temperatures, with flow temperatures up to 80°C with no direct electric heating.
This is what the government should focus on.

Also district heating projects and local electric generation...... more to follow,
 
I know from a few friends in Sturgis, buying a plot of land and building your home mostly off grid was cheap enough to do but they tended to use the one deep bore hole rather than the shallower laid out tennis court type




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Noobie said:
I know from a few friends in Sturgis, buying a plot of land and building your home mostly off grid was cheap enough to do but they tended to use the one deep bore hole rather than the shallower laid out tennis court type




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Problem with a borehole is it usually needs a 3 phase supply so not so easy to retrofit
 
Noobie said:
I know from a few friends in Sturgis, buying a plot of land and building your home mostly off grid was cheap enough to do but they tended to use the one deep bore hole rather than the shallower laid out tennis court type




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Please don't get excited about this.
you need a full environmental impact assessment to get permission for one of these.
I've never heard of one being approved for domestic use in the UK.
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Barry Hell said:
Problem with a borehole is it usually needs a 3 phase supply so not so easy to retrofit
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We are all going to need 3-phase if we are going to charge our cars and heat our homes.
99% of streets/roads have 3 phase... unfortunately if you are out in the sticks there may not be enough capacity for your home.
 
To be fair the £5K grant will only benefit the well off eco terrorists.... same as the electric car grant.
Five bags of sand towards your 66 large for a 71k car.
 
Barry Hell said:
Note from E.on - sit tight we'll fleece you good soon 🙄
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£0.21p and about the same per day..... don't worry about changing if you've a credit balance £500 we should have that transferred within 3 months or so.
 
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