2011 multistrada 1200s sport injector problem
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derek had the bike and changed the front injector and he thought he had found the fault . i took the bike away and he then said to me he did not want to look at the bike again incase it took to long to find the fault. then he changed his mind and said bring the bike into the workshop when i had my 1098 in for belts.he did a compression test on the front cylinder and he then changed his mind again saying take the bike away. thats what happened
A good test
although afaik continuity either is there or isn’t, there aren’t degrees of it.
I can understand his, or any mechanic’s, reticence in chasing an electrical gremlin. It could be a 30 min job it could be a 30 hour job and the customer will have to pay for that time, which, of course, at the larger end they’re not going to be happy about. In my book it doesn’t mean Derek did the ‘dirty’ on you, it appears he just decided it wasn’t a job he wanted to do. It’s a bit strong to bad mouth him for that
. Have you tried @Markduc ’s continuity test? There’s no point changing the loom if there’s continuity there and the signal is getting to the injector but the injector isn’t doing what it should when it should.
Are you 100% certain the issue is the injector doesn’t fire until the bike hits 4000rpm? There’s a simple, but very messy (and don’t be smoking at the time) hack you can do. Pull the injector out of the throttle body but leave it connected into the loom. Start the bike, is fuel squirting out of it? Increase the revs to 4000rpm, does it only start to squirt fuel once it gets to 4000rpm?
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just looked at a video that was sent to me from the guy that was working on the bike. the continuity has been checked by the mechanic on both injectors back to the ecu and they are perfect
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i will try this and even put a plastic bag over the injector to prevent fuel going everywhere. as for your comments about derek, you should not be making excuses for him. if someone did that to you, i,m sure you would be annoyed. he should have said yes or no,not changing his mind twice.
given everything you have checked then it maybe the ecu
just a thought does it have 2 lambada sensor’s don’t they control’ low down fueling
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just changed the ecu,same problem. i will check the lambada sensor and map one as wellgiven everything you have checked then it maybe the ecu
just a thought does it have 2 lambada sensor’s don’t they control’ low down fueling
I looked at the parts diagram online , I wonder if it’s possible to swop map pipes around on inlet manifold
to prove pipes too
you’ve probably checked but are butterflies opening properly
Sorry I'm out on this one.
If Nelly's not interested (most unusual
) then neither am I. 
It's not that I'm not interested, I just think I don't have anything to addSorry I'm out on this one.
If Nelly's not interested (most unusual
There's a lot of swapping and changing going off which is not proving successful. As I mentioned, the bike needs hooking up to a good diagnostic tool and the live data studying with the motor running. Most of the stuff being tried might have worked on a 916, and has maybe proved a little on this bike, but there's too much going off with the newer stuff. You need to see what the ECU's are seeing and doing in order to diagnose deep rooted issues like these. It's doubtful it's even throwing out any error codes?
That makes perfect sense and a better explanation of what happened early on.It's not that I'm not interested, I just think I don't have anything to add
Along a similar vein.
A few years back we took the main VW dealer up on a special offer for a cambelt/water pump service.
When I went to pick the van up the dashboard was full of warning lamps, unfortunately the technicians had all gone home.
After being talked through the "reset" procedure (following an ECU flash) a couple of faults kept coming back.
VW looked again and said two exhaust sensors had failed (based purely on the POXXX codes).
Given the van had worked flawless since new I wanted to know why this coincidence had occurred.
The remedial works would cost nearly £500.
I measured both cold and hot resistances and found they were correct, even wiggled the wires... perfect.
Realising my skills and tools were unable to dig any deeper I employed the services of a professional auto-electrician.
Using dynamic data he showed me that during engine running conditions both sensors would return open circuit responses on at specific rpm.
A very long story, slightly shorter, at certain frequencies the cables broke down.
This was due to them being over stretched when VW dropped one side of the engine, to access the cam belt.
He showed my the original cable ties were still in place.
Replacing both sensors (one at a time) solved the issue.
Cordwallis Heathrow Volkswagen Van, MAN Truck and Isuzu Truck Centre
denied liability and consequently missed out on all future servicing plus two subsequent van sales.
I warn people of this garage's behaviour in regard to how they handle complaints and would have taken them to court, but was uber busy with work at the time.
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I feel also it was Derek was trying to assist a fellow forum member out but after trying the usual suspects, it became clear, as the thread is showing, that the fault is far more difficult to locate. As Nelly suggests, a possible pop into a shop with the approved Ducati diagnostic equipment seems to be the best way forward
My brothers jag had a similar issue and knew jag labour rates were substantial for any repair but he had a great mechanic who could do the repairs. Aware of the time and stress this was causing before getting it back on the road, he simply bit the bullet and book it in to the local jag dealer for 1 hours fault finding. The fault was diagnosed within ten minutes on their official doo dah and he was able to go back to his own mechanic who was able to order the parts and replace it for him.
In my own long winded way and supporting what a few others have said, it might be time to bite the bullet, get it to an official ducati dealer with official ducati diagnostics to at least find out what the issue is and if you do, decide what you want to do next.
My brothers jag had a similar issue and knew jag labour rates were substantial for any repair but he had a great mechanic who could do the repairs. Aware of the time and stress this was causing before getting it back on the road, he simply bit the bullet and book it in to the local jag dealer for 1 hours fault finding. The fault was diagnosed within ten minutes on their official doo dah and he was able to go back to his own mechanic who was able to order the parts and replace it for him.
In my own long winded way and supporting what a few others have said, it might be time to bite the bullet, get it to an official ducati dealer with official ducati diagnostics to at least find out what the issue is and if you do, decide what you want to do next.
Bit of a hike to Glasgow may be an issue......
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I was talking to someone with a company car Range Rover Evoque the other day form my old place of work and he had a knackered clutch after 12,000 miles, they fitted another and 6000 miles later that was fubar too. JLR were blaming his driving when they took it in for a second time on warranty - but they fitted a 2nd new clutch but it didn't even get off the ramp in the garage as the new replacement was knackered - so it's on it's 4th now at 20,000 miles...
I saw, 168 miles each way? I know when the ex mrs number 2 in Sturgis decided to buy a mercedes, she took no notice of my suggestion she shouldn't given the nearest mercedes dealer was 453 miles away. The downside of exotica with no local network support.
I did see this chap in inverness and I wonder if there are any additional auto electricians who work on motorcycles in the surrounding area's too?
Auto Electrician Inverness, IV1 1, Inverness, Scotland
Electrical Repairs Inverness - New Systems Installs Inverness - ECU Re-maps Inverness - Transponders programmed Inverness
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1098ray
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not sure what you mean by that comment
Ducati Glasgow
bit of a hike for you perhaps?
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i asked barry hell that question not youDucati Glasgow
So? I answered it as it was blindingly obvious what he meant
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wrong. read the way it was worded.may be an issue. i think he knows something that you dontSo? I answered it as it was blindingly obvious what he meant
I don't, but we will see
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it would be good to see the bike being fixed and sold,asapSo Ray, given so many suggestions have been offered, you've run through them and we are still none to wiser, what are your plans now? It would be good to see the bike up and running as the season starts
Just meant it is a bit of a journey to Glasgow with no guarantee of success, I'd be worried they just said leave it with us and they then rack up a big bill following loads of dead ends already looked at