New NCR Hailwood

Gizmo

Gizmo

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What Ducati could and should have done with this years SC

The new NCR Hailwood rep, on show in Milan this week, hmm what would tempt me to spend money, a 10 year out of date street fighter or this...

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details now on motoblo.it from what i can translate its an 1120cc 130 HP engine, carbon bodywork, titanium conrods and valves, ooh err as its NCR i don't think I'll ask the price :D
 
Tasty lookin bike that Mikey! hope it embarrasses Ducati into moving their thinking and designing on a lot more
 
Now that's more like it :)
Amazes me how NCR can consistently outdo the factory by miles.
 
Very nice.
I dont think its a roadbike though and thats how it has such nice clean lines(not sure about the SBK mudguard though), were you to put all the bits on to make it road legal AND conform to all that eurogubbins nonsense it would detract from its current appearance.
 
It's looks just like their "new blue".

Just a paintjob and a couple of side panels from what I can see :thumbsdown:
 
different sub frame, different seat unit, new fairings, different rear sets, cleaned up the zip ties on r/h side frame tube compared to a New Blue, thats all I can see from that photo some close ups might reveal more.

Its also the concept of what it is, Ducati could have done this oh so easily with very few new parts and it would sell albeit probably in relatively small numbers but surely thats part of what its all about??
 
Gizmo said:
different sub frame, different seat unit, new fairings, different rear sets, cleaned up the zip ties on r/h side frame tube compared to a New Blue, thats all I can see from that photo some close ups might reveal more.

Its also the concept of what it is, Ducati could have done this oh so easily with very few new parts and it would sell albeit probably in relatively small numbers but surely thats part of what its all about??
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Titanium frame.....100,000 euros though:eek:
 
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Titanium frame.....100,000 euros though:eek:
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I never did work out why anyone would use Ti on a motorbike frame, way too flexible, difficult to weld and can crack, on a pedal bike i know it can "damp" vibration to make the riders life easier but i wouldn't have thought this was important with an engine ??
 
Gizmo said:
I never did work out why anyone would use Ti on a motorbike frame, ??
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Stock steel frame approx 40 lbs, Ti copy frame 10 lbs ....... sounds like a good enough reason to me .... how many mag bits would it take to get the same weight saving?
 
Bert3 said:
Stock steel frame approx 40 lbs, Ti copy frame 10 lbs ....... sounds like a good enough reason to me .... how many mag bits would it take to get the same weight saving?
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yup, if you use stock steel but with heat treated cro mo around like Reynolds 853 or even 953 you can get the weight down to almost Ti weights with lower costs and simpler welding
 
Dear Santa,
I want some of that there Reynolds tubey stuff, shaped and welded into something just like a 900SS frame ..... or the reindeer gets it !

The MOB
 
more info

NCR Mike Hailwood® TT
• New limited edition motorcycle
• Titanium frame
• Titanium exhaust
• Titanium connecting rods and valves
• Titanium fasteners
• Carbon fiber wheels
• Carbon fiber bodywork
• Only 12 to be built
• 299 lbs - 130 hp

NCR Mike Hailwood®TT NCR is proud to announce a very limited edition motorcycle based on the most famous motorcycle victory of the millennium by Mike Hailwood when he won the World Championship at the Isle of Man TT in 1978 on a Ducati 900 NCR. To commemorate the 30th year anniversary, NCR announces a very limited edition motorcycle that incorporates the latest technology available today. The NCR Mike Hailwood* TT features a full titanium frame weighing only 5 Kg (11 lbs) and the latest Ohlins FGR900 forks to be used in MotoGP next year. Other incredible features include a F1 derived billet crankshaft, titanium connecting rods, titanium valves, titanium exhaust and titanium fasteners. Furthermore, the wheels and all bodywork are in carbon fiber thus tipping the scales at 299 lbs (136 Kg) while producing 130 hp.The NCR Mike Hailwood TT will be unveiled at the EICMA Show on Tuesday, November 4th at the NCR stand in Hall 18, D60. Present will be Mrs. Pauline Hailwood and Mr. David Hailwood (Mike Hailwood’s wife and son).

Retail of 100,000€. Only 12 to be built. Visit www.ncrfactory.com for more info.
 
Its not bad. I like it. I hate wavey discs though, ugly beggers!! :)
 
I like it, but in the same way as I like the D16RR ..... too much money for something that is secondary transport .......

anyhow, it may as well weigh 300kg and have 10 hp because all 12 will go straight into museum collections and never make any use of their 1 hp/kg ability
 
Gizmo said:
I never did work out why anyone would use Ti on a motorbike frame, way too flexible, difficult to weld and can crack, on a pedal bike i know it can "damp" vibration to make the riders life easier but i wouldn't have thought this was important with an engine ??
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Some flex in a frame is good. One of the problems with stiff frames, from a racer's POV, is that they are bloody unstable at times...and unforgiving.
 
twpd said:
Some flex in a frame is good. One of the problems with stiff frames, from a racer's POV, is that they are bloody unstable at times...and unforgiving.
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Totally agree Nige and its one of the reasons some prefer steel to alloy but Ti is possibly too flexible, you still need stiffness at shock mounts, headstock and swingarm pivots, its difficult to control this as ti tubing is only available in certain diameters and butting is rare, with steel or alloy you have more choice and can weld in the best gauge for the job. We loked at Ti for MTB full sus but aluminium works better, Ti is ok for a hardtail but even then has limits. I'm not certain it is any advantage mounting an engine, shock or swingarm
 
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