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239desmo

239desmo

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Came across this on fleabay today http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUCATI-GT1000...08QQihZ006QQcategoryZ9919QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
At first glance nothing strange until I notice bike is described as "based on the original 70's icon the 860GTS"
Now I hope it is me that's mistaken but every article I have come across on the GT1000 says it was based on the 750GT and it looks a lot more like the 750GT than a 860GTS. Again it is perhaps down to interpretation but I wouldn't call the 860GTS the original 70's icon. I can think of several Ducatis of the 70's that would be ahead on the list. What does concern me is that this is coming from a garage proud to announce they are now official Ducati dealers. I'd like to think anyone involved with Ducati was a true enthusiast so hopefully it was a typo error or I am completely confused in which case I apologise now!!. :confused:
 
Martin Ducati Glasgow said:
No mate, yer bang on!

Based on 70's 750GT. I've got one (original) in the store, they are very similar!
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Very tactful what you didn't say!! ;) ;)
 
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My mate Bob had an 860 GTS and on 13000 miles he had to take the engine out and replace either the big or little ends 'cos they were a knockin' The dealer wouldn't do anything because it was out of warranty and blamed him for putting Castrol GTX in instead of Duckhams! Dead right in no way was this a classic Ducati :eek:
 
Whilst you might not expect a new Ducati dealer to know the history of older models you might expect them to know that a Sport /GT 1000 uses a 1000cc wet clutch engine not a multistrada engine which can be 1000cc dry clutch or 1100cc wet clutch, if the sales people don't know that how well trained are the mechanics?!!.

Not sure I want to see official Ducati dealers advertising bikes on eBay anyway :( I don't think its worth adding dealers to the network if they can't represent Ducati professionally and don't have the product knowledge, most of their customers will probably be able to spot that instantly.
 
Gizmo said:
Whilst you might not expect a new Ducati dealer to know the history of older models you might expect them to know that a Sport /GT 1000 uses a 1000cc wet clutch engine not a multistrada engine which can be 1000cc dry clutch or 1100cc wet clutch, if the sales people don't know that how well trained are the mechanics?!!.

Not sure I want to see official Ducati dealers advertising bikes on eBay anyway :( I don't think its worth adding dealers to the network if they can't represent Ducati professionally and don't have the product knowledge, most of their customers will probably be able to spot that instantly.
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I agree. But as I understand it the factory said it was based on the 750Gt, so does this mean they didn't even read the blurb that comes with the launch? All the articles I have read seem to imply the journos were told by the factory this was the case so why would a dealer be told otherwise? Hmmm...
 
239desmo said:
I agree. But as I understand it the factory said it was based on the 750Gt, so does this mean they didn't even read the blurb that comes with the launch? All the articles I have read seem to imply the journos were told by the factory this was the case so why would a dealer be told otherwise? Hmmm...
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I'd imagine that if they are a new dealer they didn't go to the launch which was almost a year ago now so just get the same PR materials they hand out us customers and with loads of new models to read up on you wouldn't be up to speed on every model's history ?
 
Dave G said:
I was watching an 860 GT on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....00027862172&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1
lovely looking motor,but just couldn't bring myself to actually bid on it as it wasnt the prettiest thing ever to come out of Bologna.
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I was watching that one as well. You are paying £1500 for a non-runner which you may put on the road for a few hundred pounds but if the bottom end was gone you have a pile of bits because at present it won't be worth restoring it. I am always dubious of "won't take much to get it running" stories. As it is, value is probably half of what was being asked. I have seen tidy runners for the same money. Styling killed sales at the time and rarity will be it's saviour in the future.
 
239desmo said:
I was watching that one as well. You are paying £1500 for a non-runner which you may put on the road for a few hundred pounds but if the bottom end was gone you have a pile of bits because at present it won't be worth restoring it. I am always dubious of "won't take much to get it running" stories. As it is, value is probably half of what was being asked. I have seen tidy runners for the same money. Styling killed sales at the time and rarity will be it's saviour in the future.
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I remember you telling me about the bike you nearly bought :eek: A close shave that makes your head rule the heart. I have been lucky along with asking the right questions on bikes but lost shedloads on cars! I think the only way an 860 GTS is going to be worth anything is when the rest have been broken for spares and it is the last remaing in the country
 
steve748 said:
Dave, You, Me and 784 other people all thought the same thing, I think the design team were on holiday when this was dreamed up :eek:
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Ducati brought Giugiaro in to do the styling as he had made a name for himself with 4 wheels. This was NOT his finest moment! :o :o :o
 
239desmo said:
Ducati brought Giugiaro in to do the styling as he had made a name for himself with 4 wheels. This was NOT his finest moment! :o :o :o
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that wasn't the guy who did the mantra for bimota was it???:eek:
....walnut dash an' all.
 
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Dave G said:
that wasn't the guy who did the mantra for bimota was it???:eek:
....walnit dash an' all.
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Not sure to what extent he was involved with Bimota, but I know he was involved. There was a management change early 70's at Ducati and Taglioni was out of favour and as a consequence so was Tartarini that designed the early twins. Giugiaro came up with the angular design for the crankcases on the 860 and Taglioni reluctantly worked on the project which included the rest of the styling exercise. He then came up with the 350 & 500 parallel twins and Taglioni refused to work on the project. Sales of the twins were a disaster and Taglioni was reinstated. Giugiaro designed the De Lorean, the Golf, Punto the Alfa's etc. All very angular designs. Just didn't work on the Ducatis of the period.
 
padge said:
hey steve,isn't this the m/cycle shop we stopped at on the merlin rally?:scratchhead:
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Yep, that's the one, and the Merlin rally was named after the Ducati dealer that supported it before Garlands got the franchise
 
They must have been listening to your post because the ad now says "based on the original 70's icon the 750GT"
However I had an 860GTS, bought new in December 1976, and to me the rounded shape of the 1000GT is much more reminiscent of the GTS. The only thing I see which reminds me of the 750GT and the 750 Sport are side panels.
I also think that the square case GTS was vast improvement on the round case models which preceded it. The engine was generally (but not always) more robust and reliable and the electrics, although still not great were a distinct improvement on the previous models. All of the bevel engines were prone to failures of 4th gear pinions, big-ends and main bearings altough I put 23,000 miles on mine in 2 years with no major problems
 
Derek said:
They must have been listening to your post because the ad now says "based on the original 70's icon the 750GT"
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Or it could have been changed as a result of my 'ask seller a question' ;)
 
Derek said:
They must have been listening to your post because the ad now says "based on the original 70's icon the 750GT"
However I had an 860GTS, bought new in December 1976, and to me the rounded shape of the 1000GT is much more reminiscent of the GTS. The only thing I see which reminds me of the 750GT and the 750 Sport are side panels.
I also think that the square case GTS was vast improvement on the round case models which preceded it. The engine was generally (but not always) more robust and reliable and the electrics, although still not great were a distinct improvement on the previous models. All of the bevel engines were prone to failures of 4th gear pinions, big-ends and main bearings altough I put 23,000 miles on mine in 2 years with no major problems
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I reckon you have to squint at the new bike with one eye half shut to see the comparison, but the side panels, to me, are the feature of the new bike tying in with the 750GT & sport. As regards the square over the round debate I think it is generally accepted that the squarecase was an improvement, but the secret with both is regular oil changes and keep them filled to the neck. I have a similar mileage on mine and (touch lots of wood!!) no problems with the bottom end.
 
steve748 said:
Or it could have been changed as a result of my 'ask seller a question' ;)
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Who said you can't change the world? ;)
More power to the "grumpy old men"!! :thumbs: only if you are over 41.3 ! ;)
 
Dave G said:
that wasn't the guy who did the mantra for bimota was it???:eek:
....walnut dash an' all.
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no, the Mantra is the creation of Sacha Lakic, its amazing that they actually put it into production but even more amazing they made almost 500 of them!!

Some claim Phillipe Starck designed it but its definitely Lakic.

Lakic hasn't done a lot of motorbike design most recently he completed projects for Voxan.
 
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