Conspiracy theories, who starts them and why?

West Cork Paul said:
I agree with you there Dox as there are still a lot of matters that are either in dispute or highly debatable, however, I don’t believe it’s a global conspiracy to suppress the masses. It’s a new but naturally (as in created by nature) occurring flu virus that has, due to its novelness, been able to get around the human immunosuppressant system causing illness and due to its transmissibility infect an awful lot of people.

The reason economies are being decimated is because politicians don’t want to be blamed for people dying from what basically is the flu ie from something an advanced and developed nation should, in the public’s view, have a handle on and control of. Deaths from a novel, never before seen, virus make the headlines, they are bad news (bad news always sells) and equate to a loss of votes for the politicians handling the matter. Deaths from a multitude of other reasons with which we are very familiar as they’ve been happening for decades do not make the news even if arguably they’ve been caused by the politicians’ response to the novel virus. Hence politicians try to limit the former.

I don’t want to ramble on as there are many thoughts in my head on this matter ie handling of the pandemic, many of which are for other threads. This is the conspiracy theory thread and no, I don’t believe the Coronavirus is a man made virus released so a global elite can implement a brave new world.
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The "We don't want to be blamed" defence is a good one, in that everyone will believe it.
We are always happy to believe in gubmint incompetence and for some reason, reluctant to believe that the Establishment ever acts in a malfeasant, malignant manner.
The truism, "Never ascribe to malice what can readily be ascribed to incompetence" is a fantastic saying. It seems to cover every situation ... yet no one appears to have twigged that it is therefore the perfect cover for bad actors.

If gubmint's only goal was not to be blamed, why did it fail to cover many more bases?
HCQ+ treatments, Vit D, healthy lifestyle ... if it wants to be seen to be acting on behalf of the people, rather than for Big Pharma and Big Business, why has every gubmint policy favoured vaccination and large players like Pfizer, Amazon, Tesco, Sainsbury etc, and effectively shut out, economically speaking, smaller players, ordinary folk, inexpensive strategies, etc?

When you look at all aspects of the response to the scamdemic, there are sodding great gaps in the logic of the narrative.

When the moves all go in one direction, it is incumbent upon us to observe the direction in which they travel. We are thinking human beings after all. Not sheep.
 
West Cork Paul said:
I agree with you there Dox as there are still a lot of matters that are either in dispute or highly debatable, however, I don’t believe it’s a global conspiracy to suppress the masses. It’s a new but naturally (as in created by nature) occurring flu virus that has, due to its novelness, been able to get around the human immunosuppressant system causing illness and due to its transmissibility infect an awful lot of people.

The reason economies are being decimated is because politicians don’t want to be blamed for people dying from what basically is the flu ie from something an advanced and developed nation should, in the public’s view, have a handle on and control of. Deaths from a novel, never before seen, virus make the headlines, they are bad news (bad news always sells) and equate to a loss of votes for the politicians handling the matter. Deaths from a multitude of other reasons with which we are very familiar as they’ve been happening for decades do not make the news even if arguably they’ve been caused by the politicians’ response to the novel virus. Hence politicians try to limit the former.

I don’t want to ramble on as there are many thoughts in my head on this matter ie handling of the pandemic, many of which are for other threads. This is the conspiracy theory thread and no, I don’t believe the Coronavirus is a man made virus released so a global elite can implement a brave new world.
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Then why are governments;
Using every trick in the book to exagerate figures, and then bombard us with them?
Cancelling testing on (off patent) medications that have been proven effective?
Using tactics like wearing masks (not proven as effective and may do more harm to the wearer), and lockdowns, which have shown to cause more harm than good?
Refuse any public debate on any of the above?

If they'd said last year, "we're going to demolish the economy; your kids can't go to school; fuck you if you've got any illness other than covid; forget going on holidays or motorbike tours; you can't visit your friends or relatives, and this will go on for years...because this thing kills upto half a percent of the people we say has got it!" What would you have thought?

I'm guessing you'd be fuming? Well...that's what is happening, and will be for the foreseeable. Fuming, or meh...gotta save those 82 year olds with 2.6 co-morbidities from ever dying?
 
"Using tactics like wearing masks (not proven as effective and may do more harm to the wearer)" 😷

I must admit, wearing a mask for the 8 minutes I went shopping in tesco's has given me a terminal disease 💃💃
 
Noobie said:
"Using tactics like wearing masks (not proven as effective and may do more harm to the wearer)" 😷

I must admit, wearing a mask for the 8 minutes I went shopping in tesco's has given me a terminal disease 💃💃
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Extraordinary claim, where is your proof?

I'm guessing you picked up nothing more than a minor bacterial infection on this occasion.

Bit like playing Russian roulette though. I wouldn't like to have to keep spinning the chambers ...
 
Noobie said:
I was more worried about the two for one salmon steaks, you know therere is no fresh salmon anymore? they are all grown in farm nets and are given colouring to make them pinker?
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Ah, yeah. Read about that on Gab, did ya?

Pfft. What nonsense.
 
Noobie said:
I was more worried about the two for one salmon steaks, you know therere is no fresh salmon anymore? they are all grown in farm nets and are given colouring to make them pinker?
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There's loads of fresh salmon - they're the ones that aren't frozen, or have gone off.
 
Dox said:
There's loads of fresh salmon - they're the ones that aren't frozen, or have gone off.
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I think he may have meant wild/non farmed salmon🤔, that’s what I took from it anyway.

@Noobie look for organic salmon if in a supermarket and you’ll have to find a good fishmonger to get wild salmon but the price will probably put you off.
 
I'll ask the cod next time I'm in tesco's wearing a mask for 8 minutes even though it will give me a terminal disease, I'm sure the haddock will have a different view though, the haddock hate the cod, it gets real messy sometimes, almost like a bouillabaisse
 
Noobie said:
I was more worried about the two for one salmon steaks, you know therere is no fresh salmon anymore? they are all grown in farm nets and are given colouring to make them pinker?
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Plenty of wild salmon about but perhaps not in Tesco or Asda.
At the risk of sounding frightfully middle class, they certainly have it at my local Waitrose. It is a much more vivid red than the artificial orange/pink of the farmed salmon. Much tastier too but it does mean I miss out on all those lovely meds.
 
Dukesox said:
Plenty of wild salmon about but perhaps not in Tesco or Asda.
At the risk of sounding frightfully middle class, they certainly have it at my local Waitrose. It is a much more vivid red than the artificial orange/pink of the farmed salmon. Much tastier too but it does mean I miss out on all those lovely meds.
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That'll be Pacific Salmon - all of that is wild caught, not farmed. The meat isn't as moist as Atlantic, but 99.9% of Atlantic salmon in the shops is farmed, and full of steroids 'n shit.
 
West Cork Paul said:
I think he may have meant wild/non farmed salmon🤔, that’s what I took from it anyway.

@Noobie look for organic salmon if in a supermarket and you’ll have to find a good fishmonger to get wild salmon but the price will probably put you off.
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Organic salmon?

As opposed to inorganic salmon? I assume instead of carbon atoms, it contains silicon?

Yay! I helped!
 
Loz said:
Organic salmon?

As opposed to inorganic salmon? I assume instead of carbon atoms, it contains silicon?

Yay! I helped!
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Whilst chemically quite similar to carbon, there are difficulties in creating silicon based organic lifeforms on this planet as silicon dioxide is a solid at ambient temperatures and pressures. Instead of exhaling gas, they would continuously secrete sand.
 
Darkness said:
Whilst chemically quite similar to carbon, there are difficulties in creating silicon based organic lifeforms on this planet as silicon dioxide is a solid at ambient temperatures and pressures. Instead of exhaling gas, they would continuously secrete sand.
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So ... chewy, right? You're saying inorganic salmon will be chewy.

Worth it though, just for the carbon footprint reduction alone.
 
The Scottish salmon farms almost mirror the norwegian fish farms but most Scottish salmon farms are owned by Norwegian salmon farming companies who in Norway, have much stricter rules than in thier operations in Scotland, they also use chemicals. The problem is that they have too many fish in such a small space, just like battery hens. Just like battery hens you get a higher death rate in the pens and so dead fish fall to the bottom of the pen making removing them difficult. This encourages sea lice and the chemicals are meant to kill sea lice.

Most U.K. buyers of Scottish salmon think they are buying this


Salmon jumping in a Scottish river


When in fact they are buying this

Fish farming | MEATONOMIC$

and this

Save Bantry Bay | No more salmon farms in Bantry Bay



www.bbc.co.uk

Is there a problem with salmon farming?

Salmon is sold as healthy, sustainable and environmentally-friendly but is that image accurate?
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Noobie said:
The Scottish salmon farms almost mirror the norwegian fish farms but most Scottish salmon farms are owned by Norwegian salmon farming companies who in Norway, have much stricter rules than in thier operations in Scotland, they also use chemicals. The problem is that they have too many fish in such a small space, just like battery hens. Just like battery hens you get a higher death rate in the pens and so dead fish fall to the bottom of the pen making removing them difficult. This encourages sea lice and the chemicals are meant to kill sea lice.

Most U.K. buyers of Scottish salmon think they are buying this


Salmon jumping in a Scottish river


When in fact they are buying this

Fish farming | MEATONOMIC$

and this

Save Bantry Bay | No more salmon farms in Bantry Bay



www.bbc.co.uk

Is there a problem with salmon farming?

Salmon is sold as healthy, sustainable and environmentally-friendly but is that image accurate?
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Years ago I went on a swimming holiday in Malta. It involved swimming up to 3 miles a day along the coast or between the 3 islands of Malta, Gozo & Comino. We swam past a few tuna farms but these were very different from the salmon farms you show. The nets could be attached to a boat and towed along so the fish not only were not kept in one place so avoiding all the mess being in one place but they also got to swim properly and work their muscles while being towed.
For anyone who likes open water swimming and is happy to do 2-3 miles a day this is worth a look. Swimming Holidays, Adventure Swimming Holidays | SwimTrek
It was about 15 years ago I used them and I went to Croatia as well as Malta. Great camaraderie with the other guests and the staff, you spend all day on a boat or in the water and then out to refuel in the evenings.
 
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