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Im sat here listening to the news/politicians/mediaphiles on the TV and they are all suddenly talking about how the world is going to end in the next 100 years due to the CO2 etc.... I thought some of the scientists said this was going to happen about 8 years ago.....why now, has everyone started believing them :eek:

Do I suddenly think all about my carbon footprint, 1 less carrier bag at the supermarket when stocking with food and booze, do I use low energy bulbs, do i recycle my ready meal cartons, Stella cans?? Do i warm the van up in the morning? I personally used to do all the recycling stuff years ago (bottles, cans, newspapers) but gave up...everything now goes in the big green wheelie bin, whats all your thoughts????

I was waiting to die of bird flu there for a few months but the most I caught was a smokers cough for a week!

Discuss.......
 
...too little - too late!

the damage has been done. With China & India experiencing ecomomic expansion on a scale larger than our industrial revolution, they will just undo all the work that gets down here. It all comes down to that most terrible of things in this world - money.

ecomomic damage - what the f*ck is that - when compared to all our children and their children having a ruined world to grow up in?

There just isn't enough interest from the general public which is the fault of the government.

I spent years living in Germany in the late '80s into the '90s, they have strict laws which govern recycling, environmental protection etc.
I remember stopping at a level crossing over there once, I left my engine running, a guy came up to the car, tapped on the window and insisted that I switch the engine off while I waited - this is the way they think over there.
Imagine that happening here.....

They will talk and talk about it - politians & ecomomists will do battle with scientists & environmentalists - it's a no brainer really (until London is engulfed by floods!!) :mad:
 
i avoid using the car on weekends, opting to walk everywhere like shops, supermarket etc. we get a crate for us bottles but they only collect once a month, i fill mine in a week. bit of green bin black bin filtering, switchin off appliances at the mains to conserve energy etc. i dunno about this global warmin thing tho, it doesnt seem that long since they were tellin us we headed for another ice age?
 
Look on the bright side. The biking season will get longer and longer...cold, salty winters in Scotland might become a thing of the past. They'll all be riding about with built-in iron lung respirators on their hydrogen bikes and it should be jolly nice and warm touring about. Course, we'll all be deid by then. Aye, we're doomed I tell ye..doomed !
 
Its a funny one.....this morning I was watching the BBC and they had this guy on from some Electricity Company/ multinational/quango .....The Irish guy asks him what he should do to lessen their company's "carbon footprint".....his response......get us to use less electricity!!!! ......i thought.....well dont advertise your @@@@ing company on the TV etc....

I agree with the India?China thing......i remember from watching a documetary few months back that China has plans to build 500 :eek: :eek: coal fired power stations in the next few years.....looks like we are all @@@@ing into the wind....

BUT....some council's have fitted microchips in your wheelie bin......
 
borderduc said:
Look on the bright side. The biking season will get longer and longer...cold, salty winters in Scotland might become a thing of the past. They'll all be riding about with built-in iron lung respirators on their hydrogen bikes and it should be jolly nice and warm touring about. Course, we'll all be deid by then. Aye, we're doomed I tell ye..doomed !

Judging by the extreme weather we have had up here of late, most of our roads will have been washed away and my Imola will have blown away!!! :eek:
 
Some years ago I was on holiday in Mexico and walking along the main road was very unpleasant because of the fumes coming from the aging cars going by. They don't care about pollution and India & Pakistan are just as bad :eek:
 
The politicians will just use it as another excuse to put up taxes which they will then spend on even more weapons :mad:
 
Forget about India Mexico etc., if you've been in America you'll know what waste is.Its almost written into their constitution that its their american duty to pollute as much as they like,where they like,and no commie unamerican leftie's will ever stop them.:cool: :(
 
What is interesting about this debate, is the fact the planet has a natural warming and cooling cycle. Hence the previous ice age etc, and many scientists have said that we are approaching the peak of the warm cycle we are in! It’s odd that in most TV and newspaper articles, how few scientists’ views are heard!

The most infuriating aspect of the apparent issue, is the way in which the pro-green groups have grasped this and made it their own, without looking at the much bigger picture. A great quote on Channel 4 news last night, “even if the UK switched everything off and maintained this position, any saving in carbon emissions would be superseded by China within 2 years”!

It’s not only America and China which are heavy polluters, every developing country falls in to the bracket of being heavy polluters, due to our passed over technology and our lacking ability to have sensible discussion.

So, what’s the answer? Nuclear, without any doubt!!

It’s carbon neutral and the technology is far advanced to that of the first generation of reactors. Yes it’s dangerous stuff, but it can be controlled and disposed of properly. This government and others, must approve a nuclear energy programme.

Renewables are good things, don’t get me wrong, but they alone will not achieve the crazy figure of a 60% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050!

No matter how much we do, we have to radically review the way in which we use energy. It’s not a simply case of taxation, but education of both the new and older generations.

Now, I’m not going to say the following because of my aviation interests, but taxation on aviation fuel is pointless. Every ICAO member will not sign such an agreement and it would only result in fuel tankering (carrying fuel from non-taxing states). In any event, the customer would be happy to pay the additional charges! Furthermore, the technology is not there to develop a better fuel source.

The first major hurdle to get over is in getting America to sign the Kyoto agreement. Without them, there are billions of people @@@@ing in the wind – it’s a pointless task.

Just my thoughts..

Derek, I think that comment is unnecessary. These are two very separate issues and should in no way be linked. If the Government wanted to invest more in our armed forces, do you honestly think they would need an excuse such as taxation!
 
When i was about 8 years old i remember the teacher telling us that the world would run out of oil in 50 years.i remember cause i thought that was terrible and wondered how we`d live with out it.Last year greenpeace or somebody like that friends of the earth, that bunch, presented a report saying the world would run out of oil in 50 years.Now if im not mistaken thats the same report 30 odd years apart.Did somebody find it sitting in a drawer, not notice the date and decide to re-issue it, or were they just wrong in the first place. Al gore with his film is scareing a lot of people these days, hes going to be scareing a lot of kids in edinburgh as the council have decided to make sure every pupil here has to see it. with no alternative to give them a balanced thought. but good old american boy Al misses out somethings in his Inconvenient truth, he actually misses out dare i say it,the truth. small things like the fact that in the middle ages the world was warmer.You wonder where i get this information. its just simple things like when the vikings found Greenland in the middle ages, they called it greenland, because , shock horror it was green. it had wild grapes growing and they were able to plant crops and harvest them there,it didnt have the massive glaciers its had for the last few hundred years, otherwise they would have called it whiteland and described it as a cold and horrible place and said they werent going back.
Other things like castles built in the middle ages with water gates to the sea as a means of entry but are now 1.5 miles from the sea as it has retreated due to water being locked up in the ice caps.There are places in england that were renowned for shipbuilding that now only have a small river nearby that couldnt support anything bigger than a canoe, but previously were building ships off up to 500 tons, because there was more water back then due to it being warmer.
This is one of the earths natural cycles and there is very little you and i can do about it and while i agree it is a good idea to recycle, except when the council use it as an excuse to save money. all that we are doing isnt more than scraping the surface, nor will it ever.
i could rant on about this for ages but i wont, but people for gods sake before you take all this in hook, line and sinker , go and explore things for yourself dont just take what several large, very well organised groups,say is right find out for yourselves.
Ill quickly give you a couple of things worth thinking about.
1. Most weather records that these things are being judged on are only a few years old. there are very few places where reliable weather records go back even as far as 150 years.there are parts of africa where they still dont have reliable weather records for even the last 60 years, in some cases even for last year.
2. Tree ring records ,a very good way of telling rough weather conditions go back as far as a couple of thousand years in living trees and a good bit further in fossilised trees (when they can be found) and all show periods of growth then periods of less growth, sometimes near stagnancy .
3.Greenpeace,friends of the earth etc have a vested interest in talking up these things. it is theyre very reason for being.it increases their funding and keeps them going.
4.Not all scientist believe this is a definite fact. Far from being united on this argument, the scientific community is very,very split on this.
5. A major eruption of a volcano throws out more cfc`s co2 etc than man produces in a year . there are several major eruptions each year.
 
gordj65 said:
When i was about 8 years old i remember the teacher telling us that the world would run out of oil in 50 years.i remember cause i thought that was terrible and wondered how we`d live with out it.Last year greenpeace or somebody like that friends of the earth, that bunch, presented a report saying the world would run out of oil in 50 years.Now if im not mistaken thats the same report 30 odd years apart.Did somebody find it sitting in a drawer, not notice the date and decide to re-issue it, or were they just wrong in the first place. Al gore with his film is scareing a lot of people these days, hes going to be scareing a lot of kids in edinburgh as the council have decided to make sure every pupil here has to see it. with no alternative to give them a balanced thought. but good old american boy Al misses out somethings in his Inconvenient truth, he actually misses out dare i say it,the truth. small things like the fact that in the middle ages the world was warmer.You wonder where i get this information. its just simple things like when the vikings found Greenland in the middle ages, they called it greenland, because , shock horror it was green. it had wild grapes growing and they were able to plant crops and harvest them there,it didnt have the massive glaciers its had for the last few hundred years, otherwise they would have called it whiteland and described it as a cold and horrible place and said they werent going back.
Other things like castles built in the middle ages with water gates to the sea as a means of entry but are now 1.5 miles from the sea as it has retreated due to water being locked up in the ice caps.There are places in england that were renowned for shipbuilding that now only have a small river nearby that couldnt support anything bigger than a canoe, but previously were building ships off up to 500 tons, because there was more water back then due to it being warmer.
This is one of the earths natural cycles and there is very little you and i can do about it and while i agree it is a good idea to recycle, except when the council use it as an excuse to save money. all that we are doing isnt more than scraping the surface, nor will it ever.
i could rant on about this for ages but i wont, but people for gods sake before you take all this in hook, line and sinker , go and explore things for yourself dont just take what several large, very well organised groups,say is right find out for yourselves.
Ill quickly give you a couple of things worth thinking about.
1. Most weather records that these things are being judged on are only a few years old. there are very few places where reliable weather records go back even as far as 150 years.there are parts of africa where they still dont have reliable weather records for even the last 60 years, in some cases even for last year.
2. Tree ring records ,a very good way of telling rough weather conditions go back as far as a couple of thousand years in living trees and a good bit further in fossilised trees (when they can be found) and all show periods of growth then periods of less growth, sometimes near stagnancy .
3.Greenpeace,friends of the earth etc have a vested interest in talking up these things. it is theyre very reason for being.it increases their funding and keeps them going.
4.Not all scientist believe this is a definite fact. Far from being united on this argument, the scientific community is very,very split on this.
5. A major eruption of a volcano throws out more cfc`s co2 etc than man produces in a year . there are several major eruptions each year.

I Agree with you here Gordon !

Not many look at the big picture like yourself !

Nothing annoys me more than people who make accusations or form opionions based on the media & other unreliable sources.

i dont beleive the world will end ! i think were all going to be fine. just gonna have to Adjust. ALOT

/ian
 
I'm in total agreement with you Gordon. The goverment has much chance of preventing global warming as Canute had of stopping the tide. If it's going to happen it's going to happen.

Bullitt said:
...Derek, I think that comment is unnecessary. These are two very separate issues and should in no way be linked. If the Government wanted to invest more in our armed forces, do you honestly think they would need an excuse such as taxation!
Perhaps. Call me a cynic if you like but remember that there is an election coming up soon and this may be just a smokescreen to draw the electors minds away from the Iraq issue and it will be used to justify "Green Taxes", the money for which would probably have been available anyway if they didn't spend so much on "defense". With the deviousness and spin from goverment these days you can't say that any issues aren't linked because they will use any ploy they can to their political advantage.
 
Derek said:
I'm in total agreement with you Gordon. The goverment has much chance of preventing global warming as Canute had of stopping the tide. If it's going to happen it's going to happen.


Perhaps. Call me a cynic if you like but remember that there is an election coming up soon and this may be just a smokescreen to draw the electors minds away from the Iraq issue and it will be used to justify "Green Taxes", the money for which would probably have been available anyway if they didn't spend so much on "defense". With the deviousness and spin from goverment these days you can't say that any issues aren't linked because they will use any ploy they can to their political advantage.
i agree with what you say about an election, but i only wish the government would spend money on defense, instead we send under equipped armys half way round the world, while some bean counter here decides what equipment they can and cant have.In reality any army we send anywhere should have the best of everything to make sure theyre exposed to as little danger as possible and are able to do the task that they are sent in for .
What will really happen is the money will be wasted on government schemes to provide more benefits for the socially excluded, despite the fact that they like being socially excluded, there will be more outreach workers, and community development officers,we will have to use kph instead of good old miles. drinks will be sold in litres and all women regardless of religion will have to wear a burqha . oh and im sure money will be spent making bradford the independent state of bradfordistan along with a few other places
 
gordj65 said:
i agree with what you say about an election, but i only wish the government would spend money on defense, instead we send under equipped armys half way round the world, while some bean counter here decides what equipment they can and cant have.In reality any army we send anywhere should have the best of everything to make sure theyre exposed to as little danger as possible and are able to do the task that they are sent in for .
What will really happen is the money will be wasted on government schemes to provide more benefits for the socially excluded, despite the fact that they like being socially excluded, there will be more outreach workers, and community development officers,we will have to use kph instead of good old miles. drinks will be sold in litres and all women regardless of religion will have to wear a burqha . oh and im sure money will be spent making bradford the independent state of bradfordistan along with a few other places

We're getting off topic a bit here and I agree that the army should be properly equipped before sending them out. But should they be sending them there in the first place? If this country, along with the US, had meddled less in middle eastern affairs in the last century and up to the present time then perhaps there would problems with Islam extremism now. The series on Suez which concluded on BBC2 last night was a real eye opener. Britain and France persuaded Israel to invade Egypt so that they in turn could go to war with Egypt. The repercussions of this haven't finished yet!
No I'm afraid that whether it is about Global warming, Iraq, transport, education, the Health Service or any other subject I don't believe a word that comes out of this goverment. It is all distorted with their own politial spin.
At this point I will shut my gob.:(
 
We need "global warming"! It'll help counteract "global dimming".

It has been determined that the amount of sunlight reaching the ground has been reducing for the last fifty years or so.
 
Loz said:
We need "global warming"! It'll help counteract "global dimming".

It has been determined that the amount of sunlight reaching the ground has been reducing for the last fifty years or so.

That is true too Loz
 
Loz said:
We need "global warming"! It'll help counteract "global dimming".

It has been determined that the amount of sunlight reaching the ground has been reducing for the last fifty years or so.
this will be the next thing, soon there will be a crisis in global dimming. We will all have to pay dim taxes and walk about with mirrors to reflect the light back on to each other.
 
I think that we will run out of earth's natural resources sooner or later. Yes volcanic erruptions throw as much toxic mess into the atmosphere. These however a natural occurancies. We as a race, haven't helped by adding to this pollution.

I think there are too many of us - we live longer, we are healthier, natural selection doesn't apply like it used to and we are eating up earth's resources at an unsustainable rate.

As weeian said, we will have to learn to adapt. I personally don't like the world my daughters are growing up in, I fear for their future (when I'm long gone).

I'm gonna stop now coz like Gord, I could rant on about this all day and not change a thing!
 
Scottch said:
'kin 'ell

I see it's winter already ;)

...blo*dy is here mate, we've got snow ontop of Ben Wyvis in front of us!!! ;)
 
were doomed

Cor, arent you lot a bunch of thinkers!
Well after sitting in traffic in Valencia for 4 days and then sitting in Heathrow for 4 hours yesterday I honestly think the politicians talk a good job but do sod all. It all comes down to money. The smog around Heathrow / London/ Valencia / any other big city is awful. If you fly at night and see our country is light up you wouldnt believe the electricty we waste.
did you know ive been to valencia?
 
posiden said:
Cor, arent you lot a bunch of thinkers!
Well after sitting in traffic in Valencia for 4 days and then sitting in Heathrow for 4 hours yesterday I honestly think the politicians talk a good job but do sod all. It all comes down to money. The smog around Heathrow / London/ Valencia / any other big city is awful. If you fly at night and see our country is light up you wouldnt believe the electricty we waste.
did you know ive been to valencia?
youve been to valencia, you kept that very quiet didnt you. i bet you didnt even tell us the reason you went :D
 
posiden said:
Cor, arent you lot a bunch of thinkers!
Well after sitting in traffic in Valencia for 4 days and then sitting in Heathrow for 4 hours yesterday I honestly think the politicians talk a good job but do sod all. It all comes down to money. The smog around Heathrow / London/ Valencia / any other big city is awful. If you fly at night and see our country is light up you wouldnt believe the electricty we waste.
did you know ive been to valencia?

what were u doing over there !?!?!?!?

/ian
 
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