Non functioning tail light, MultiStrada 950

West Cork Paul

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It’s a 2017 MultiStrada 950, in for new tyres but the customer also pointed out his tail light and reg plate light have stopped working, brake lights are fine but no tail light.

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He bought one of these ST2 brake module gizmos and attempted to fit it.

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It fits by piggy backing onto the stop light wire, a power supply wire and a ground wire, like so


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Using clips like this
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The clips cut through the insulation on the target wire leaving the wires like this if removed
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You’ll see he spliced into 2 yellow wires but that’s because he got the first wire wrong - it feeds an indicator not the tail light.
The red/white (it’s actually red/grey) wire is the stop light wire; the black is the ground. Thus it’s not as though he wired it in incorrectly but since attaching it he’s had no tail light or Reg plate light. Indicators & brake lights still work.

The tail light is a non-serviceable LED unit that has to be completely replaced if it malfunctions, cost is £198.85 plus another £40 for the reg plate light 😱.

The workshop manual is not very helpful it simply says if the tail light is not working replace it with a new unit.

The tail light is not that straightforward, it gets it’s power from the BBS and is controlled by the BBS such that it only comes on when the engine is running or has been running.

Has anyone had any experience with a similar issue of the tail light not working? The wires are intact just broken insulation. Or any ideas how to test it before telling him he’s got to fork out for a new unit?

As it’s LED I’m wondering if connection of the ST2 module has blown any resistors or diodes within the light unit 🤔
 
Has anyone had any experience with a similar issue of the tail light not working? The wires are intact just broken insulation. Or any ideas how to test it before telling him he’s got to fork out for a new unit?

As it’s LED I’m wondering if connection of the ST2 module has blown any resistors or diodes within the light unit 🤔
Paul as with most modern LED lights, they're sealed non servicable items, if the copper is intact then I would suggest the rear light is fubar!
The module I have no experience with, was the unit compatible with LED canbus system?
 
Is anything showing an error code?
No, that’s the issue there are no errors thrown up in the diagnostics.
Paul as with most modern LED lights, they're sealed non servicable items, if the copper is intact then I would suggest the rear light is fubar!
The module I have no experience with, was the unit compatible with LED canbus system?
As I was typing the original post I came up with a way to test the rear light - it’s amazing how just setting something out in writing helps to crystallise thoughts & theories. I just connected the bike’s battery direct to the relevant wires for the rear light and it lit up 👍. At least now I know it’s not the light unit. Just got to work out why there’s no signal for the tail light from the BBS to the light unit 🤔.

I called the owner and rechecked with him what exactly happened when and sure enough the tail light was fine, he connected the splice connections for the ST2 module onto the wires, then plugged in the ST2 module and the tail light went out 😕. I’m now thinking it’s had a detrimental affect on the BBS unit 🤔. More testing needed.
 
BBS is fused, so that’s worth a check. There is the chance that the add on box has taken the circuit out and buggered the BBS though. Getting more common as folk are wiring aftermarket gizmos into the bikes that are crawling with CANBUS setups. Google and YouTube have a lot to answer for 🥴
 
It’s a 2017 MultiStrada 950, in for new tyres but the customer also pointed out his tail light and reg plate light have stopped working, brake lights are fine but no tail light.

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He bought one of these ST2 brake module gizmos and attempted to fit it.

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It fits by piggy backing onto the stop light wire, a power supply wire and a ground wire, like so


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Using clips like this
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The clips cut through the insulation on the target wire leaving the wires like this if removed
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You’ll see he spliced into 2 yellow wires but that’s because he got the first wire wrong - it feeds an indicator not the tail light.
The red/white (it’s actually red/grey) wire is the stop light wire; the black is the ground. Thus it’s not as though he wired it in incorrectly but since attaching it he’s had no tail light or Reg plate light. Indicators & brake lights still work.

The tail light is a non-serviceable LED unit that has to be completely replaced if it malfunctions, cost is £198.85 plus another £40 for the reg plate light 😱.

The workshop manual is not very helpful it simply says if the tail light is not working replace it with a new unit.

The tail light is not that straightforward, it gets it’s power from the BBS and is controlled by the BBS such that it only comes on when the engine is running or has been running.

Has anyone had any experience with a similar issue of the tail light not working? The wires are intact just broken insulation. Or any ideas how to test it before telling him he’s got to fork out for a new unit?

As it’s LED I’m wondering if connection of the ST2 module has blown any resistors or diodes within the light unit 🤔
Those piggy back clips are dirt make sure none of them have completely severed the wires Paul 👍
 
Err. Stupid question ?

Has it taken a fuse out ?
Not a stupid question at all and the answer is no. It was the first thing I checked but the tail light doesn’t have a fuse as it’s powered from the BBS and the fuse for the BBS is intact.
Those piggy back clips are dirt make sure none of them have completely severed the wires Paul 👍
I agree, fortunately they haven’t, broken a strand or two but there’s still continuity there.
 
Does the BBS monitor the tail unit (line monitoring to detect o/c or s/c type of thing) ?
If it does I’d then assume it would report a fault if it thought there was one (for example a broken wire).
As it’s not reporting a fault and the tail unit works that would point to a faulty BBS ?
 
BBS is fused, so that’s worth a check. There is the chance that the add on box has taken the circuit out and buggered the BBS though. Getting more common as folk are wiring aftermarket gizmos into the bikes that are crawling with CANBUS setups. Google and YouTube have a lot to answer for 🥴
Fuse for the BBS is fine 👍
Unfortunately what you’ve suggested is where I’m at. The ST2 brake module takes power from a +ve feed to the tail light and is grounded via the common ground cable that serves all rear lights (tail, stop, Reg plate, indicators). When the ST2 module detects a severe deceleration eg engine braking (it has gyros and an accelerometer inside it) it sends a pulse or pulses of power down the stop light wire. Well that stop light wire goes in 2 directions, both to the tail light and to the BBS, therefore the pulses of power can also go in 2 directions. That’s all well and good if the reverse direction is just back to a regular old fashioned brake light switch but here it’s back to a programmed pcb, I do suspect it’s damaged a circuit within the BBS.

However, that said, the BBS shows no faults or errors, but maybe it’s not programmed to as the programmer wasn’t expecting it to get 12v into it on that circuit.

Just a theory.

BBSs are £235 so roughly the same price as if the tail light & Reg light units had to be replaced.

If only there was a way to test the integrity of the BBS 🤔
 
Fuse for the BBS is fine 👍
Unfortunately what you’ve suggested is where I’m at. The ST2 brake module takes power from a +ve feed to the tail light and is grounded via the common ground cable that serves all rear lights (tail, stop, Reg plate, indicators). When the ST2 module detects a severe deceleration eg engine braking (it has gyros and an accelerometer inside it) it sends a pulse or pulses of power down the stop light wire. Well that stop light wire goes in 2 directions, both to the tail light and to the BBS, therefore the pulses of power can also go in 2 directions. That’s all well and good if the reverse direction is just back to a regular old fashioned brake light switch but here it’s back to a programmed pcb, I do suspect it’s damaged a circuit within the BBS.

However, that said, the BBS shows no faults or errors, but maybe it’s not programmed to as the programmer wasn’t expecting it to get 12v into it on that circuit.

Just a theory.

BBSs are £235 so roughly the same price as if the tail light & Reg light units had to be replaced.

If only there was a way to test the integrity of the BBS 🤔
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Does the BBS monitor the tail unit (line monitoring to detect o/c or s/c type of thing) ?
If it does I’d then assume it would report a fault if it thought there was one (for example a broken wire).
As it’s not reporting a fault and the tail unit works that would point to a faulty BBS ?
Yes it does. If there’s a fault on the tail light unit it will report it eg when the connector to the rear lights is disconnected and the key turned on the BBS shows a stop light fault as O/S or S/C.

As the tail light unit works I do suspect you’re right and it’s the BBS 😕.
 
Yes it does. If there’s a fault on the tail light unit it will report it eg when the connector to the rear lights is disconnected and the key turned on the BBS shows a stop light fault as O/S or S/C.

As the tail light unit works I do suspect you’re right and it’s the BBS 😕.
 
I emailed ST2 today and asked them if the brake module was compatible with the bike, they emailed back in the affirmative complete with a ‘purchase now’ link.

It seems to me they might be liable for the cost of the BBS 🤔 if it has in fact buggered it.
 
I emailed ST2 today and asked them if the brake module was compatible with the bike, they emailed back in the affirmative complete with a ‘purchase now’ link.

It seems to me they might be liable for the cost of the BBS 🤔 if it has in fact buggered it.
The first port of call if I was you Paul would be go find a dictionary and look up the word retirement 😆... How many hours a week are you doing now 👀
 
The first port of call if I was you Paul would be go find a dictionary and look up the word retirement 😆... How many hours a week are you doing now 👀
This is my retirement, I love it, plus I earn a bit of pocket money too 👍
Diagnostic software ?
Yep but no - oh wait hang on, what software? I thought you meant the vehicle diagnostic s/ware but perhaps you don’t. Any suggestions?

I know a place in NL may be able to test it 🤔
 
It doesn’t help matters when the wiring diagram put out by Ducati as per the workshop manual is full of mistakes 😡

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Just an aside Paul, the wiring diagrams we get are usually very good, so your post made me think.... I've checked this morning and mine is correct. Looks the same, but the legend as to what is what is correct on the one I have. Where are you getting the diagrams from? Poor info on them will cause you even more problems..
 
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