Conspiracy theories, who starts them and why?

"There are no conspiracies" but "There are no coincidences"
 
West Cork Paul said:
Aye, as a prediction that too sounds very far fetched. However, although those are factual numbers and although the virus allegedly originated in China I don’t, at this stage in the proceedings, believe it was deliberately released by China.

I do like @Loz ’s explanation for conspiracy theories above (post #123), we probably do all look for an explanation for the inexplicable or at least look for someone to blame because we’re not happy about the situation, but I believe it’s incumbent upon all of us to research as much as possible and make our own decisions based upon rationality, logic and factual information.

Loz used to have what I thought was a very good spoiler in DF which went along the lines of ‘when I was younger the media used to tell me what had happened and I had to think why had it happened, now they tell what to think and I have to think what actually happened’. It’s very easy for a significant number of people not to think and then just accept the narrative they are being presented.

One of the things I like about these discussions is they do make me think, they also send me off on little research trips I may not otherwise have taken. It’s good to keep an open mind.


ps. Loz, I’ll PM my bank details so you can pay me now I’ve bigged you up not once but twice in a single post 😁
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You say "those are factual numbers", but what are the facts they represent?

2m+ deaths...but that is of people who have been diagnosed* with covid...and died within 4 weeks of that diagnosis. Many elderly people with illnesses go into hospital and will be tested on day one. And they die of their illness. How many people have died 'of' covid? The estimates are about 6%**.

*100m+ infected - using a test that will find it if you run the test through enough cycles. Even the CDC have had to admit it. That's approx 10% of how many people get flu in a bad year.

** On 19 Mar 20 the Gov downgraded Sars-cov-2 to stop it being a High Consequence Infectious Disease. That way autopsies are not required by law...and true cause of death found.

So while the numbers may be factual, what are they factual of? It isn't 2m+ died 'of' covid, and 100m+ are not suffering of covid, as most of those are 'asympomatic' ie, healthy. You wouldn't say you had a case of diarrhoea if you didn't have the symptoms would you.
 
Exige said:
Rounding the numbers of days that haven't yet come? - oh wise de bunking of a wsie conspirator (you were almost convincing) fikko 🤪
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Sky are now touting new graphs to show how the UK is not the worst in the world as well as other nonsense 🤣
 
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You say "those are factual numbers", but what are the facts they represent?

2m+ deaths...but that is of people who have been diagnosed* with covid...and died within 4 weeks of that diagnosis. Many elderly people with illnesses go into hospital and will be tested on day one. And they die of their illness. How many people have died 'of' covid? The estimates are about 6%**.

*100m+ infected - using a test that will find it if you run the test through enough cycles. Even the CDC have had to admit it. That's approx 10% of how many people get flu in a bad year.

** On 19 Mar 20 the Gov downgraded Sars-cov-2 to stop it being a High Consequence Infectious Disease. That way autopsies are not required by law...and true cause of death found.

So while the numbers may be factual, what are they factual of? It isn't 2m+ died 'of' covid, and 100m+ are not suffering of covid, as most of those are 'asympomatic' ie, healthy. You wouldn't say you had a case of diarrhoea if you didn't have the symptoms would you.
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The downgrading of Covid (SARS Covid 2) is the smoking gun, so far as I can see.

The pandemic can be whatever the gubmint wants it to be, because they can make up any narrative and any policy that they like. Hard facts are absent, emotive language and manipulation are the order of the day.
 
Barry Hell said:
Sky are now touting new graphs to show how the UK is not the worst in the world as well as other nonsense 🤣
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The UK has never been the worst per capita 🤷‍♂️ we never win anything 🤔 and how do other countries 'measure' deaths by Covid? Do they all use the within 4 weeks of diagnosis from an unreliable test? 👀
 
Dox said:
You say "those are factual numbers", but what are the facts they represent?

2m+ deaths...but that is of people who have been diagnosed* with covid...and died within 4 weeks of that diagnosis. Many elderly people with illnesses go into hospital and will be tested on day one. And they die of their illness. How many people have died 'of' covid? The estimates are about 6%**.

*100m+ infected - using a test that will find it if you run the test through enough cycles. Even the CDC have had to admit it. That's approx 10% of how many people get flu in a bad year.

** On 19 Mar 20 the Gov downgraded Sars-cov-2 to stop it being a High Consequence Infectious Disease. That way autopsies are not required by law...and true cause of death found.

So while the numbers may be factual, what are they factual of? It isn't 2m+ died 'of' covid, and 100m+ are not suffering of covid, as most of those are 'asympomatic' ie, healthy. You wouldn't say you had a case of diarrhoea if you didn't have the symptoms would you.
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I agree with you there Dox as there are still a lot of matters that are either in dispute or highly debatable, however, I don’t believe it’s a global conspiracy to suppress the masses. It’s a new but naturally (as in created by nature) occurring flu virus that has, due to its novelness, been able to get around the human immunosuppressant system causing illness and due to its transmissibility infect an awful lot of people.

The reason economies are being decimated is because politicians don’t want to be blamed for people dying from what basically is the flu ie from something an advanced and developed nation should, in the public’s view, have a handle on and control of. Deaths from a novel, never before seen, virus make the headlines, they are bad news (bad news always sells) and equate to a loss of votes for the politicians handling the matter. Deaths from a multitude of other reasons with which we are very familiar as they’ve been happening for decades do not make the news even if arguably they’ve been caused by the politicians’ response to the novel virus. Hence politicians try to limit the former.

I don’t want to ramble on as there are many thoughts in my head on this matter ie handling of the pandemic, many of which are for other threads. This is the conspiracy theory thread and no, I don’t believe the Coronavirus is a man made virus released so a global elite can implement a brave new world.
 
Exige said:
The UK has never been the worst per capita 🤷‍♂️ we never win anything 🤔 and how do other countries 'measure' deaths by Covid? Do they all use the within 4 weeks of diagnosis from an unreliable test? 👀
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It came across wrong, I meant it was all bollocks, they are playing their usual manipulative games, the numbers are meaningless, according to them covid is worse than Spanish flu 🤔
 
West Cork Paul said:
I agree with you there Dox as there are still a lot of matters that are either in dispute or highly debatable, however, I don’t believe it’s a global conspiracy to suppress the masses. It’s a new but naturally (as in created by nature) occurring flu virus that has, due to its novelness, been able to get around the human immunosuppressant system causing illness and due to its transmissibility infect an awful lot of people.

The reason economies are being decimated is because politicians don’t want to be blamed for people dying from what basically is the flu ie from something an advanced and developed nation should, in the public’s view, have a handle on and control of. Deaths from a novel, never before seen, virus make the headlines, they are bad news (bad news always sells) and equate to a loss of votes for the politicians handling the matter. Deaths from a multitude of other reasons with which we are very familiar as they’ve been happening for decades do not make the news even if arguably they’ve been caused by the politicians’ response to the novel virus.

I don’t want to ramble on as there are many thoughts in my head on this matter ie handling of the pandemic, many of which are for other threads. This is the conspiracy theory thread and no, I don’t believe the Coronavirus is a man made virus released so a global elite can implement a brave new world.
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Anybody got a application for for the elite club?? Asking for a friend obviously 👀
 
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West Cork Paul said:
....I don’t want to ramble on as there are many thoughts in my head on this matter ie handling of the pandemic,...... This is the conspiracy theory thread and no, I don’t believe the Coronavirus is a man made virus released so a global elite can implement a brave new world.
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One has to ask why you are saying that @West Cork Paul , and how do you gain from spreading that message? Which conspiracy are you promoting?
 
Barry Hell said:
It came across wrong, I meant it was all bollocks, they are playing their usual manipulative games, the numbers are meaningless, according to them covid is worse than Spanish flu 🤔
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These are hard figures released in late December here in Ireland and makes it stark its all bollocks our tanaiste or Vp gave the figures while admitting we actually had no excess deaths in fact we had slightly less death from the previous year
2156 deaths with cv19 present
2000 had underlying conditions
156 had no underlying condition
Average age of total death 81.7 years
 
The skitz said:
These are hard figures released in late December here in Ireland and makes it stark its all bollocks our tanaiste or Vp gave the figures while admitting we actually had no excess deaths in fact we had slightly less death from the previous year
2156 deaths with cv19 present
2000 had underlying conditions
156 had no underlying condition
Average age of total death 81.7 years
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I know. I read something similar this morning now we’ve gone through 3000 deaths.

Age range 48-99 years old

Median (not average) age 83 years old

I bet the average is higher.

I then checked the current life expectancy for ROI. Guess what, 82 years old.

This post should probably be in the Covid thread but to get back on track I still don’t believe anything other than it’s a new flu virus and Govt’s have bollxd up the handling of it.
 
West Cork Paul said:
I know. I read something similar this morning now we’ve gone through 3000 deaths.

Age range 48-99 years old

Median (not average) age 83 years old

I bet the average is higher.

I then checked the current life expectancy for ROI. Guess what, 82 years old.

This post should probably be in the Covid thread but to get back on track I still don’t believe anything other than it’s a new flu virus and Govt’s have bollxd up the handling of it.
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I'm going to post a couple of 1098 fotos later and waffle on about neros just to balance shit out 😉😝👀
 
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